Nice article...Five myths about India
Recommended read..no sorry...a must read...
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/5387992.cms
So I gave this article to a few of my aquantences for reading. Following are even fewer (other read and gave no opinion at all) reactions:
Reader 1: In spite of all odds, India is progressing & will progress. Since India is a democratic country, these two people can write this article and enjoy criticise democracy.
Reader 2: MOst of it seems like wishful thinking to me . Point one was good, baaki sab me kuch dum nahi hain .
Aur haan, i dont think India's education system is so great. I think the
conditions under which we study : i.e. competing all the time with thousands
of people, learning to make do with limited resources etc makes us more
resilient and gives indian students the edge which is why we have many CEOs
, but very few nobel lauretes.
Reader 3:
I agree with Myth no 1,2 and 4 but not 3 and 5.
education system in India, I wont say it is the best but it is far better than many other countries.
The argument out there was ki IIT and other exams are tougher than Harvard - agreed but government is doing their best by opening new and supporting IIT and IIms with respect to student intake and infra wise because they too realize that the quality imparted atleast by these institutes is way good.
the very fact that our educated youth have been competing with rest of the world and getting jobs since long time in other countries is enough to infer about our quality.
I do agree at the same time that we need to do much more but qualitywise but we are good.
COUNTER ARGUMENT: what would you say about anything besides engineering...i mean any other field in which Indian system has contributed to the world...this clearly means we are not all rounded and lack in creating opportunities in other fields. so many people may have different interests.
how about primary and secondary education level, which seems more important to me and should be provided to "all" the people
Finally, so far we have been able to contribute because we did it in english but we have never been leaders in at least one field of the thousands of possible subjects.
READER'S REPLY to this:
the recent noble was given to a chemist who only know ribosomes and previously he pursued physics. infact the other noble too was in eco.
vikram pandit studied completely in India except post graduation and is in banking industry etc.
I know I cannot say that we are all rounded and yes I do admit that we still not equipped to honor many diff. interests.
But I feel that this be might more due to our socio economic factor - with the kind of urban and rural development gap or rather which is present in india.
people in west can afford to choose different interests but we cant because we still are still 45% into industrialization but at the same time we have agriculture contributing ~ 6% to our GDP.
Being an agro based nation we need to cover this urban rural divide fisrt which is quiet visible again after TATAs were refused from west bengal.
Yes primary and secondary education level is definitely important and is one of the important factor where China scored over India but as per the last census it is clearly seen that people enrolling to these basic necessities are increasing.
I do not want to compare the system to west as the care here is very different coz I believe Indian system best utilizes all resources available to it.. However if we do try to compare among , lets say , third world countries India is still one of the best.
COUNTER ARGUMENT:
chemist did not work out his research in india but in america. Amartya sen was also living in America and did his research thr only . vikram pandit : from wiki: He moved to the United States when he was sixteen years old to study at Gannon University. He received a B.S. and M.S. in electrical engineering and an M.B.A in 1976, 1977, and 1980 respectively, and a Ph.D. in Finance from Columbia Business School in 1986.[4] He is a trustee at Columbia University.
When you say we cannot take chances that’s primarily because there are no opportunities for other sectors.
hahahahahahaha
saare examples se ulte meri hi baat prove hoti hain....
that india has never nurtured or given world class education in anything other than engineering.
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I thought that it was fairly clear article....but see how personal opinion influences the interpretation of this article (or perhaps any article?). One is seeing it as criticism while the other as self appraisal.
So I am giving following summary
SUMMARY OF ARTICLE
Myth 1: The information technology sector has been the primary driver of India's economic growth. : Numbers tell that IT sector employs much fewer than actual supply of working people in India. Actual driver is manufacturing and other services.
Myth No.2: India is decades behind China.
China has done complete rebuilding of its metros while other parts of China are not better than India, in fact much worse. All such impressions are based on cities appearance, specially common among the people from multinationals who visit China and India.
Myth No.3: India's democratic politics will prevent a rapid build-up of the country's infrastructure.
This point seems a little problematic to me. It is clearly impossible for democratic government to clear cluttered cities and rebuild systematic cities in their places, given that this will mean a lot of destruction first and only then comes the reconstruction. People living at these places are happy in their slumber and they oppose a tiny bit of change in their private properties which will come in the middle of this development.
I am sure this is a problem for a democratic government. However, I agree that even bigger problem to infra development is corruption in government and not its being democratic.
Myth No.4: Uncontrolled population growth is a major burden for India.“In short, population growth in India is a self-correcting problem that is getting addressed on its own at a rapid rate. In any case, in a democratic country such as India, it is far easier and wiser for the government to focus on how to make the economy grow at, say, a 9% rather than an 8% rate. Over 10 years, that can be as effective a mechanism for population control as any other.”
I totally agree
Myth No.5: India's education system is world class.: I totally agree that its a myth. One, our education is not all rounded and second, it lacks focus on primary and secondary education.
We have never contributed to anything other than engineering to this world...But our engineering companies are not world leaders, SO IRONICALLY, we have failed in creating opportunities in this field also.
On second thoughts, I think we have contributed to the world in CRICKET also. Thank god, at least one sport! I am sure people will agree that for 1.2 billion people ....it can sure be called underpotential performance.
(See arguments in post below this…counter arguments are mine.)
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/5387992.cms
So I gave this article to a few of my aquantences for reading. Following are even fewer (other read and gave no opinion at all) reactions:
Reader 1: In spite of all odds, India is progressing & will progress. Since India is a democratic country, these two people can write this article and enjoy criticise democracy.
Reader 2: MOst of it seems like wishful thinking to me . Point one was good, baaki sab me kuch dum nahi hain .
Aur haan, i dont think India's education system is so great. I think the
conditions under which we study : i.e. competing all the time with thousands
of people, learning to make do with limited resources etc makes us more
resilient and gives indian students the edge which is why we have many CEOs
, but very few nobel lauretes.
Reader 3:
I agree with Myth no 1,2 and 4 but not 3 and 5.
education system in India, I wont say it is the best but it is far better than many other countries.
The argument out there was ki IIT and other exams are tougher than Harvard - agreed but government is doing their best by opening new and supporting IIT and IIms with respect to student intake and infra wise because they too realize that the quality imparted atleast by these institutes is way good.
the very fact that our educated youth have been competing with rest of the world and getting jobs since long time in other countries is enough to infer about our quality.
I do agree at the same time that we need to do much more but qualitywise but we are good.
COUNTER ARGUMENT: what would you say about anything besides engineering...i mean any other field in which Indian system has contributed to the world...this clearly means we are not all rounded and lack in creating opportunities in other fields. so many people may have different interests.
how about primary and secondary education level, which seems more important to me and should be provided to "all" the people
Finally, so far we have been able to contribute because we did it in english but we have never been leaders in at least one field of the thousands of possible subjects.
READER'S REPLY to this:
the recent noble was given to a chemist who only know ribosomes and previously he pursued physics. infact the other noble too was in eco.
vikram pandit studied completely in India except post graduation and is in banking industry etc.
I know I cannot say that we are all rounded and yes I do admit that we still not equipped to honor many diff. interests.
But I feel that this be might more due to our socio economic factor - with the kind of urban and rural development gap or rather which is present in india.
people in west can afford to choose different interests but we cant because we still are still 45% into industrialization but at the same time we have agriculture contributing ~ 6% to our GDP.
Being an agro based nation we need to cover this urban rural divide fisrt which is quiet visible again after TATAs were refused from west bengal.
Yes primary and secondary education level is definitely important and is one of the important factor where China scored over India but as per the last census it is clearly seen that people enrolling to these basic necessities are increasing.
I do not want to compare the system to west as the care here is very different coz I believe Indian system best utilizes all resources available to it.. However if we do try to compare among , lets say , third world countries India is still one of the best.
COUNTER ARGUMENT:
chemist did not work out his research in india but in america. Amartya sen was also living in America and did his research thr only . vikram pandit : from wiki: He moved to the United States when he was sixteen years old to study at Gannon University. He received a B.S. and M.S. in electrical engineering and an M.B.A in 1976, 1977, and 1980 respectively, and a Ph.D. in Finance from Columbia Business School in 1986.[4] He is a trustee at Columbia University.
When you say we cannot take chances that’s primarily because there are no opportunities for other sectors.
hahahahahahaha
saare examples se ulte meri hi baat prove hoti hain....
that india has never nurtured or given world class education in anything other than engineering.
-----X-----
I thought that it was fairly clear article....but see how personal opinion influences the interpretation of this article (or perhaps any article?). One is seeing it as criticism while the other as self appraisal.
So I am giving following summary
SUMMARY OF ARTICLE
Myth 1: The information technology sector has been the primary driver of India's economic growth. : Numbers tell that IT sector employs much fewer than actual supply of working people in India. Actual driver is manufacturing and other services.
Myth No.2: India is decades behind China.
China has done complete rebuilding of its metros while other parts of China are not better than India, in fact much worse. All such impressions are based on cities appearance, specially common among the people from multinationals who visit China and India.
Myth No.3: India's democratic politics will prevent a rapid build-up of the country's infrastructure.
This point seems a little problematic to me. It is clearly impossible for democratic government to clear cluttered cities and rebuild systematic cities in their places, given that this will mean a lot of destruction first and only then comes the reconstruction. People living at these places are happy in their slumber and they oppose a tiny bit of change in their private properties which will come in the middle of this development.
I am sure this is a problem for a democratic government. However, I agree that even bigger problem to infra development is corruption in government and not its being democratic.
Myth No.4: Uncontrolled population growth is a major burden for India.“In short, population growth in India is a self-correcting problem that is getting addressed on its own at a rapid rate. In any case, in a democratic country such as India, it is far easier and wiser for the government to focus on how to make the economy grow at, say, a 9% rather than an 8% rate. Over 10 years, that can be as effective a mechanism for population control as any other.”
I totally agree
Myth No.5: India's education system is world class.: I totally agree that its a myth. One, our education is not all rounded and second, it lacks focus on primary and secondary education.
We have never contributed to anything other than engineering to this world...But our engineering companies are not world leaders, SO IRONICALLY, we have failed in creating opportunities in this field also.
On second thoughts, I think we have contributed to the world in CRICKET also. Thank god, at least one sport! I am sure people will agree that for 1.2 billion people ....it can sure be called underpotential performance.
(See arguments in post below this…counter arguments are mine.)
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